Comments on: The Rise Of The Worship Artisan http://www.danwilt.com/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan-2/ Conversations On Worship, Creativity and Culture. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:56:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Justice - Putting The World To Rights « A Time Is Coming And Has Now Come http://www.danwilt.com/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan-2/#comment-794409 Justice - Putting The World To Rights « A Time Is Coming And Has Now Come Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:30:51 +0000 http://www.danwilt.com/index.php/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan/#comment-794409 [...] quote but those figures are astounding!!! If we are intent on leading our church theologically as a worship artisan (a great new term used by Dan Wilt for worship leaders) then surely this can’t be ignored [...] [...] quote but those figures are astounding!!! If we are intent on leading our church theologically as a worship artisan (a great new term used by Dan Wilt for worship leaders) then surely this can’t be ignored [...]

]]> By: Mark Grosz http://www.danwilt.com/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan-2/#comment-794260 Mark Grosz Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:06:49 +0000 http://www.danwilt.com/index.php/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan/#comment-794260 You call the Worship Artisan an archetype of an influencer in your article. I believe an influencer hopes to bring corrective or forward leaning changes to people or organizations by authenticity and living out certain characteristics as an example to others. Influencers are generally not confrontational but seek to change people's thinking by gradual, constant influence. I guess an influencer could be someone who takes people by storm but I think an influencer is more someone who influences just by being in the midst of other people, out of who they are and what they believe and live out. I feel very comfortable and kindred with the latter characteristics. I enjoyed your section on the Trio of Strengths. There is quite a list of ideas to become "conversant" in, enough for a lifetime of study and development. The list was helpful to see which areas of my life need work and strengthening. I most appreciated and agreed with a holistic view of life and faith. We can be just who we are as Christians no matter where we are (within reason and not a license to be arrogant and offensive to other cultures). Art outside the church is something I like to take part in. There should be no verticalization or compartmentalization of our faith and our life in general. Our faith is simply who we are being expressed through the arts. Blessings, Mark You call the Worship Artisan an archetype of an influencer in your article. I believe an influencer hopes to bring corrective or forward leaning changes to people or organizations by authenticity and living out certain characteristics as an example to others. Influencers are generally not confrontational but seek to change people’s thinking by gradual, constant influence. I guess an influencer could be someone who takes people by storm but I think an influencer is more someone who influences just by being in the midst of other people, out of who they are and what they believe and live out. I feel very comfortable and kindred with the latter characteristics.

I enjoyed your section on the Trio of Strengths. There is quite a list of ideas to become “conversant” in, enough for a lifetime of study and development. The list was helpful to see which areas of my life need work and strengthening. I most appreciated and agreed with a holistic view of life and faith. We can be just who we are as Christians no matter where we are (within reason and not a license to be arrogant and offensive to other cultures). Art outside the church is something I like to take part in. There should be no verticalization or compartmentalization of our faith and our life in general. Our faith is simply who we are being expressed through the arts.

Blessings,
Mark

]]> By: Debbie Lee http://www.danwilt.com/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan-2/#comment-793987 Debbie Lee Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:50:16 +0000 http://www.danwilt.com/index.php/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan/#comment-793987 This was so eye opening....I have a number of friends who have left the church to pursue their music and art and other friends who are constantly criticizing art and music in churches. Actually, I forwarded this link to them! It's so important for us to think about this...it's a paradigm shift. I'm processing all of it very slowly. I have a feeling it's going to take a while... :) This was so eye opening….I have a number of friends who have left the church to pursue their music and art and other friends who are constantly criticizing art and music in churches. Actually, I forwarded this link to them!

It’s so important for us to think about this…it’s a paradigm shift. I’m processing all of it very slowly. I have a feeling it’s going to take a while… :)

]]> By: Ryan McKenzie http://www.danwilt.com/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan-2/#comment-793965 Ryan McKenzie Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:39:59 +0000 http://www.danwilt.com/index.php/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan/#comment-793965 Great shout Mark! You're totally right, the key is not what we're called, but what we do. And yeah, the name can be useful, it can cause us to rethink our purpose and direction, but the end goal is Jesus! The end goal is always Jesus more glorified, more alive in us, more alive in the world. Great shout Mark! You’re totally right, the key is not what we’re called, but what we do. And yeah, the name can be useful, it can cause us to rethink our purpose and direction, but the end goal is Jesus! The end goal is always Jesus more glorified, more alive in us, more alive in the world.

]]> By: Mark Millar http://www.danwilt.com/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan-2/#comment-793953 Mark Millar Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:55:41 +0000 http://www.danwilt.com/index.php/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan/#comment-793953 It's funny how the quirks of human nature show up inside and outside the church... I say that because this conversation reminds me of an experience I had with my work, where a large amount of time (and money) was spent changing (and then changing back) some people's job titles as they had expressed dissatisfaction with what they expressed... and these were people who were handling multi-million dollar contracts! It really was semantics - what they were called didn't change what they did, but it seemed to be important to them. I haven't got my head all the way around the idea of the Worship Artisan (I've just started the Essentials Blue worship course with Dan at the Institute of Contemporary and Emerging Worship Studies) but I guess the key is not what we're called, but what we do. Focusing on the name can be useful - even inspiring - when it causes us to rethink our purpose and direction, but it's a means to an end. The "end" is not the title but the shift in worldview it represents... It’s funny how the quirks of human nature show up inside and outside the church… I say that because this conversation reminds me of an experience I had with my work, where a large amount of time (and money) was spent changing (and then changing back) some people’s job titles as they had expressed dissatisfaction with what they expressed… and these were people who were handling multi-million dollar contracts! It really was semantics – what they were called didn’t change what they did, but it seemed to be important to them.

I haven’t got my head all the way around the idea of the Worship Artisan (I’ve just started the Essentials Blue worship course with Dan at the Institute of Contemporary and Emerging Worship Studies) but I guess the key is not what we’re called, but what we do. Focusing on the name can be useful – even inspiring – when it causes us to rethink our purpose and direction, but it’s a means to an end. The “end” is not the title but the shift in worldview it represents…

]]> By: Shawn Waddle http://www.danwilt.com/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan-2/#comment-793928 Shawn Waddle Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:10:22 +0000 http://www.danwilt.com/index.php/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan/#comment-793928 Praise God man !!! These words are truly inspired by God's spirit. It's like reading the Word itself. That is what's I find incredibly cool about this article (ie: I know it came from the Lord Himself) !!! Thanks for feeding us and carrying the Torch brother Dan !!! Praise God man !!! These words are truly inspired by God’s spirit. It’s like reading the Word itself. That is what’s I find incredibly cool about this article (ie: I know it came from the Lord Himself) !!! Thanks for feeding us and carrying the Torch brother Dan !!!

]]> By: Pat Proudfoot http://www.danwilt.com/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan-2/#comment-793179 Pat Proudfoot Wed, 14 Jan 2009 07:33:49 +0000 http://www.danwilt.com/index.php/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan/#comment-793179 Wow.... that was the most liberating, encouraging, inspiring and challenging word I have read or heard on worship in a long time! Thank you Dan! Pat Wow…. that was the most liberating, encouraging, inspiring and challenging word I have read or heard on worship in a long time! Thank you Dan!

Pat

]]> By: The Worship Artisan « Jontyspeak’s Blog http://www.danwilt.com/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan-2/#comment-793147 The Worship Artisan « Jontyspeak’s Blog Wed, 14 Jan 2009 05:12:15 +0000 http://www.danwilt.com/index.php/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan/#comment-793147 [...] Wilt from ‘The Institute’ presents the case for us to aspire to be ‘Worship Artisans.’ My initial thoughts were not exactly positive or supportive of this ideal … [...] [...] Wilt from ‘The Institute’ presents the case for us to aspire to be ‘Worship Artisans.’ My initial thoughts were not exactly positive or supportive of this ideal … [...]

]]> By: Dan Wilt http://www.danwilt.com/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan-2/#comment-791113 Dan Wilt Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:06:41 +0000 http://www.danwilt.com/index.php/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan/#comment-791113 Good thoughts, Connie and others. Again, I'm less after a title, than I am after a concept. It would probably sadden me if everyone began to change their church role title to Worship Artisan. That would be an adventure in missing the point. My point is not to shift titles; it is to give worship leaders a fresh idea to shoot toward - living language for their artistry, study and reflection to flourish within. If we are artists, with the worship artisan concept stirring our souls, then our artistry delivers a rich gift to the audience. If we are worship leaders with the worship artisan concept stirring in our souls, then our leadership is resonant with wisdom, reflection, creativity and forward thinking. Good thoughts, Connie and others.

Again, I’m less after a title, than I am after a concept. It would probably sadden me if everyone began to change their church role title to Worship Artisan. That would be an adventure in missing the point.

My point is not to shift titles; it is to give worship leaders a fresh idea to shoot toward – living language for their artistry, study and reflection to flourish within.

If we are artists, with the worship artisan concept stirring our souls, then our artistry delivers a rich gift to the audience. If we are worship leaders with the worship artisan concept stirring in our souls, then our leadership is resonant with wisdom, reflection, creativity and forward thinking.

]]> By: Connie Budzak http://www.danwilt.com/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan-2/#comment-790775 Connie Budzak Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:33:10 +0000 http://www.danwilt.com/index.php/the-rise-of-the-worship-artisan/#comment-790775 I can tell that you've thought a whole lot about this, Dan. Much of what you wrote puts language and context to the sometimes random and far-reaching definition of the role/position/idea of a worship leader/pastor/artist. Isn't it incredible how tangled up we can get in our perceptions of a word? Andrew mentioned how his wife found the word artisan to be pretentious and Mike said that "pastor" comes with a stigma. I find this tendency for entanglement happens to me as well as at my church. In that light, I can understand why you were motivated to develop a new title (or subtitle) along with a well-defined statement regarding who that person is. Thanks, Connie I can tell that you’ve thought a whole lot about this, Dan. Much of what you wrote puts language and context to the sometimes random and far-reaching definition of the role/position/idea of a worship leader/pastor/artist.

Isn’t it incredible how tangled up we can get in our perceptions of a word? Andrew mentioned how his wife found the word artisan to be pretentious and Mike said that “pastor” comes with a stigma. I find this tendency for entanglement happens to me as well as at my church. In that light, I can understand why you were motivated to develop a new title (or subtitle) along with a well-defined statement regarding who that person is.

Thanks, Connie

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